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GETTING STARTED WITH SETTINGS

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We have a great chess club; it runs smoothly and efficiently, like a clock. All thanks to the expertise and cordial demeanors of the CCCR and RCC staff. Give it a shot and you'll fit right in!

Many players lose patience and quit in the first two weeks because they lose a few chess games. But things get better after a few dozen USCF-rated games.

You'll safely explore new or hidden aspects of your psychology. In society, at home or at work, the social contract dictates that we act nicely. Of course the same is true while playing chess. -With one small exception: in chess you can play any style you choose. Fast and aggressive, or slow and positional. Like many other activities, chess can be all about self-awareness.

Learn about yourself. Otherwise, what's the point? Yet, change can be difficult.

National Master Stephen Capp takes you on a journey into fighting chess. Games are rich with coffee-house tactical melees, bold sacrifices and 19th Century style king hunts... You will find very few draws here because nobody likes kissing your sister. Examine deadly attacking ideas arising from the Grand Prix Attack. This opening has been played at the highest level. Nigel Short, Anand, Carlsen and others have all scored important victories with it. You can, too. You can use it in response to the Pirc, and Modern Defence in addition to the Sicilian. There are games with gambits such as the Blackmar Diemer, the Elephant and Milner-Barry where you can learn to drag your opponents into 'deep dark forests' as Tal use to say. Tarrasch once said: 'Before the endgame, the gods have placed the middle game'. You will find very little endgame study in this game collection, -mostly just King hunts. They say, 'studying the endgame is like eating your vegetables'. Of course, learning the endgame is important. However, let's put the vegetables aside for now and dig into hot fudge sundaes and cheesecake. There are strategically rich games involving the main line Sicilian and various Ruy Lopez systems. There are two memorable battles in the Owen's defence which can't be missed.

FIDE Mas­ter (and USCF Se­nior Mas­ter) Igor Niko­layev's games in­clude 100's of gam­bit open­ings (King's gam­bit, Dan­ish and Scotch gam­bits, Evans gam­bit, Jaenisch-Schlie­mann Gam­bit, Smith-Morra gambit, Bu­dapest gam­bit, Blu­men­feld gam­bit, Benko gam­bit, Niko­layev gam­bit, some less known gam­bits). En­cy­clo­pe­dic ar­rays of 2.c3 Anti-Si­cil­ian (about two hun­dred games) and a splen­did Re­nais­sance of the Ponziani Open­ing (a few dozen games). Han­dling the French with­out the no­to­ri­ous pawn chains (~100 games). De­stroy­ing the Caro Kann with sim­ple tools the op­po­nents did­n’t study (~100 games). A bit of bru­tal vi­o­lence in the Scan­di­na­vian, Pirc and mod­ern de­fense (a few dozen games). Sur­pris­ingly ef­fi­cient rev­e­la­tions on both sides in the Two Knights and the Ital­ian Game (~200 games). Mak­ing White for­get 'milk­ing the cow' in the Span­ish Game (~100 games). Strate­gi­cally ag­gres­sive ap­proaches against the Queen's gam­bit, the Catalan Opening, the Eng­lish Open­ing, the Reti, the Colle, the Bird’s open­ing. Not to for­get Chig­or­in's De­fense with the ad­ven­tur­ous but con­vinc­ing early e7-e5, From's Gam­bit to its full ex­tent, and a real bomb in the Four Knights Open­ing. Still a lot more with any­thing in-be­tween, lead­ing to tense, dy­namic po­si­tions where imag­i­na­tive play and deep cal­cu­la­tions are most at home. At­tacks, com­bi­na­tions and tac­ti­cal strikes merge with many in­struc­tive endgames. And a bit of chess phi­los­o­phy, psy­chol­ogy and hu­mor.

A master player of the Sokolsky opening, which is far more than just a mere novelty. From a bold Orangutan on the queenside to the Sokolsky 'King’s Gambit'. The Veresov Opening is another hit of his. Robust conservative approach to the Ruy Lopez against various systems. Classical blockade ideas in the French as a universal method for White and a poisoned 3...b6 for Black. Impressive Caro Kann examples after 4.g4 with the following blockading e5-e6!? pawn sacrifice. With Isay you will love the Sicilian for either side. Black's repertoire is also submitted with the Alekhine's Defence, the modern Philidor Defence, the King's Indian, Pirc-Ufimtsev Defence. Includes games against legendary figures, some of whom he knew personally. A number of postal games which were recognized as masterpieces of correspondence chess. About a half century in master level competition allow you to say something important about chess.

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About Community Chess Club (TRIBUTE)

The CCCR is USCF Affiliate A6000220 and meets Wednesday evenings (except holidays) from 6:30pm to 11:00pm at the RCC Rochester Chess Center, 221 Norris Drive, Rochester, NY 14610 Telephone: (585) 442-2430. CCCR annual membership dues are $30.00, or $40.00 per household. CCCR promotes chess and sponsors USCF officially rated events in Monroe County, NY. Sets and boards are provided. Always post the result on the pairing sheet. Yes, even if you lost.

A USCF-rated event is played every Wednesday at 7:30pm. The time control (TC) is game in 80 minutes with a five-second time delay. The entrance fee (EF) is $4 for CCCR members and $6 for non-members. Registration on Wednesday from 6:35pm - 7:15pm. USCF membership is required which gets you a USCF rating. AFAIK, no club constitution exists and elections are few and far between. But, no matter.

Here's why: Two great guys, Ken McBride (Vice-president) and Mike Lionti (Treasurer, Chief TD) do all the CCCR heavy lifting. Every one likes and appreciates them. They file USCF rating reports, maintain club membership lists and club websites, administer weekly tournaments, and perform, without complaint, a myriad of tasks that regular members aren't hot to do (like cleaning up). They are absolutely honest and responsible and have earned my respect.

I regard my persona non grata status as completely understandable, probably wise, hardly unexpected, yet quite acceptable. My National Master's certificate says I'm good, thank you.

Shelby Lohrman is the new owner of the Rochester Chess Center. He brings a fresh and innovative energy to the RCC, chessset.com, and to his youtube page -which he undoubtedly enjoys.

[Upcoming USCF NYS tournaments]

Strategy requires thought, tactics require observation. (Max Euwe)

2nd Amendment gun rights in 2023

Some Americans want to own real military-grade weapons. But the increased firing rate of large capacity magazines enables well-armed crazy people to shoot up schools while tagging scores of innocent children.

The U.S. Constitution's 2nd Amendment guarantees gun ownership rights to most Americans. But it was not drafted to protect sportsmen who hunt animals. Read on.

About twenty years ago I was watching C-SPAN coverage of a U.S. Senate hearing on gun control. A large table displayed various "street-sweepers" Mac 10's and the like. Some Senator, an obvious sportsman and gun enthusiast, opined that these guns shown were absolutely useless for hunting animals. The NRA representative retorted that, indeed, the guns were not intended for hunting. "They're for you."

Long guns should be restricted to single shot bolt action rifles. Armed with six-shot revolvers, cops used to load only five bullets. This left the hammer aligned with a blank chamber. Impossible for a cop to accidently shoot himself. He didn't worry about having one less bullet in his war against violent criminals. He knew that if he couldn't finish a perp with five shots, then he couldn't do it in six.

Same thing applies today with sport hunting. If you can't shoot well enough to bring down a deer with one shot, perhaps you need more practice at a rifle range. After all, our ancestors had no alternatives to a basic one-shot fire and reload rifle.

There are tough players and nice guys, and I'm a tough player. (Bobby Fischer)

Presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy

Presently the USA depends on China (and Taiwan) ) to supply the computer chips powering our cameras, smartphones, TV's, military hardware, and more. The problem is that one day the Chinese may say, "No more chips for you, USA!"

Perhaps Ramaswamy, a billionaire Republican, has an inclusive solution to America's chip deficit crisis. Manufacturing these chips requires a skilled labor force. He believs we'll need the talents and expertise of our inner city Americans to craft those high-tech chips.

Businesses can select all the talented engineers needed right now from American inner cities. Set aside stereotypes that suggest that such employees often live in areas with high crime rates. Crimes are basically forgivable. We could toughen up and come together. End racism and accept the fact that other races actually owe America zero allegiance. The new miracle workforce could solve our chip deficit and loosens the stranglehold that the Chinese enjoy over the USA.

Human affairs are like a Chess game: only those who do not take it seriously can be called good players. (Hung Tzu Ch'eng)

The Wedding Crasher

No one knows his name, where he's from, or much about him. He crashes weddings and just seamlessly blends in. Sometimes he's joking with the groom's crowd, other times he mingles with the bride's people.

Just before the marriage vows, from outside the church, he swings on a rope and crashes through a stained-glass window. Pistol in hand, he shoots the bride between the eyes, and shouts, "You'll thank me later!" And runs off.

Now, understand, the police aren't even looking for this guy. They have moon-bat wives of their own, so they kinda understand the motivations involved. Of course, the case isn't really closed. However, progress doesn't seem forthcoming.

He who takes the Queen's Knight's Pawn will sleep in the streets.

Why do chessmasters play so well?

Psychologists interviewed chessmasters vs. rank beginners regarding ability to assess chess positions, including attributes and general comprehension.

They found that masters analyze better than patzers because masters have larger piece groups and fewer of them. This enables masters to more easily parse the dynamics between arbitrary groups, however notionally defined. Beginners have many small sets of pieces, so they must work harder.

Sets are often defined by motif, such as "the set of king-side attacking pieces." As elements are added to a set, the associated possibilties increase.

If I win a tournament, I win it by myself. I do the playing. Nobody helps me. (Bobby Fischer)

How can aspiring chessplayers improve?

By counting ("chunking") and striving to create the largest thematic groups of pieces for easier and effective analysis.

That pen and pencil jar at home? Count the items, but not singly. Count three pens plus two pencils. Don't count 1-2-3-4-5! Practice until you can quantify or "take in" a single group of all five items.

Count cars in a parking lot. Count pictures on a wall. Count a handful of coins.

Chess is a part of culture and if a culture is declining then Chess too will decline. (Mikhail Botvinnik)

How can I assess a chess position?

Think of time, material, and space as individual coins that are offered and exchanged regularly during a chess game.

Only rarely can a player snatch an opponent's coin without surrendering one his own coins.

Decide whether such a swap is advisable. Is acquiring the opponent's shiny coin really worth compromising what you actually want?

Chess is above all, a fight! (Emanuel Lasker)

An excursion into club software ends

I'm playing less in-person chess now and coding web pages less frequently. Until recently, I maintained a web app that helped run the club weekly event.

They prefer to address the tasks of accounting, maintaining the club membership list, pairings, and USCF rating reports using time-honored, old-school methods. It's a free country and they can pursue a life of religious fulfillment, if they so choose.

I wish the fine staff and members of the Rochester Chess Center and the Community Chess Club of Rochester (A6000220) every success and hold no animosity whatsoever toward any individual.

Turning chess into poker and hoping for a 'bluff' is not one of my convictions. (Petrosian)

Is this the official CCCR website ?

Well, no. I'm 74.96 years old and a third-rate web developer. way Too feeble to produce quality html code. COVID-19 left me largely disabled. The Rochester Chess Club Blog is excellent!

Most agree that his CCCR master site has a human touch that reveals a warmth, humanity and down-home, caring honesty. The sheer beauty and seamless eye-candy woven into the modern chess tapestry that becomes the perfect website is quintessentially bedazzling.

Did you know that the CCCR website contains some excellent chess poetry?

Even the laziest King flees wildly in the face of a double check! (Aaron Nimzowitsch)

Why isn't this site official?

While chillin' at the CCCR pool party in Vegas, admiring the flesh parade and pondering the wisdom of doubling down when the dealer shows a face card, it HIT ME ... CCCR is already a successful and popular chess club. We try to give the leaders autonomy and that generates pleasant people with a desire to accomodate the wishes of the membership.

Contributions to this website become my property. While gratefully acknowledged, they don't constitute an endorsement and no association should be inferred. My favorite band is the Reo Brothers.

Editorial content is generally authored by me, Randy MacKenzie, President of the Hair Club for Cats. See an error? Sorry about that. We're committed to keeping this information accurate. Report the error here and we'll get it fixed ASAP.

Thanks to FIDE Master and USCF Senior Master Igor Nikolayev, FIDE Master and ICCM Isay Golyak, USCF National Master Matt Parry, and USCF National Master Stephen Capp for contributing many instructive games for publication.

The games database was updated April 27, 2024 2:17 AM and has 1440 games.

One bad move nullifies forty good ones (Horowitz)

Friends say "Goodbye!" to Isay Golyak

Isay Golyak

Isay Golyak has relocated to Florida. An entire epoch of Rochester chess is over. He was a prominent nuclear physicist in the former Soviet Union before emigrating to the U.S.A. He became a high-energy research physicist at the University of Rochester, Department of Physics and Astronomy.

And for about 70 years he has displayed a great enjoyment of chess, for which he retains all his youthful enthusiasm. As a FIDE Master and International Correspondence Chess Master he has played thousands of games, many against legendary figures, some of whom he knew personally. His postal games are often cited as masterpieces of correspondence chess.

Never one to suffer fools gladly, he graciously revealed the deeper secrets of the royal game for a quarter century at the Rochester Chess Center. We will always remember Isay for his forceful demeanor and honest approach, as well as his devotion to chess. With an appreciative smile we wish him "Good Luck! and Good Chess!" in his new Southern U.S. location.

You sit at the board and suddenly your heart leaps. Your hand trembles to pick up the piece and move it. But what Chess teaches you is that you must sit there calmly and think about whether its really a good idea and whether there are other better ideas. (Stanley Kubrick)

The Week in Chess Magazine

Weekly digest of chess news and games by Mark Crowther. Founded 1994. Visit The Week in Chess Magazine for more info and TWIC in ChessBase or PGN format. I use Linux and chessx pgn database and viewer to read TWIC pgn data files.

Two connected passed pawns on the sixth beat everything, up to a royal flush. (Rogers)

blitz chess is evil incarnate but fun

Back in the 60's the Rochester Chess Club had a 10-second per move electric buzzer that was rarely used. Then we used chess clocks for 5-minute games. This remained popular for at least fifty years. Older players claimed it was harmful and ruined chess. Younger players scoffed and continued to win.

With the advent of the internet, chess servers are largely devoted to blitz and bullet games. ICC and FICS offer 5 0, 3 0, as well as 1 0 time limits.

5-minute chess is the fastest you can play without ruining your game. Most players who play 1 0 bullet chess find that their playing strength is permanently ruined. They will never be able to play good chess at standard OTB time limits again.

Today, Chess 1-2-3 is popular among young players aged five to twelve. Play two moves, and then exchange a piece or a pawn. Rinse and repeat. No planning or strategy is required. And yet, they win with it.

Some lessons from blitz, Does playing blitz chess really hinder your progression (sic) as a chess player?, Blitz Chess - Is it Ruining Our Minds?.

I only started to study openings seriously when I had a 2400 rating. (GM Loek van Wely)

European tournament standards differ from American

In America, tournament directors are not held to the same annoyingly high standards as in Europe where all TD's are well-trained. You can't become a TD there by just paying fees. You study and pass multiple tests in front of a serious commission.

A chess TD in Europe is constantly vigilant and frequently intervenes, watching everything and noting violations, similar to American basketball, baseball, and football referees. But in American chess tournaments, the TD may see problems but doesn't interfere with play unless requested to by a player. Normal in USCF practice. It's practically a totally different chess culture in Europe.

Suppose a European Qualification Committee member, let's say in a Zurich chess club, noticed irregularities in a rated tournament. Players noisily eating potato chips, slurping soups over the board, almost using the board as a plate or a tray, talking during the game, not keeping score sheets, making moves with one hand and pressing the clock with the other, offering a draw more than once, etc. All of which regularly happens in RCC.

If the TD there condones that type of behavior, he would lose his TD certificate and the club would lose its license. They would be told, "You can have good time here socializing and playing chess, but forget about being affiliated with the national federation and FIDE. Just enjoy yourselves and you don't need any TDs at all."

The Rochester Chess Center must turn a profit to survive. But in a socialist country like Europe, businessmen are often well-dressed philanderers, supported by their rich contessa wives. What keeps the Rochester Chess Center afloat is snack bar sales. A genuine business, of course.

Robert Fischer is a law unto himself. (Larry Evans)

You might be a low master if you...

  • Play the first few rounds of a tournament then drop out to avoid meeting serious opposition.
  • Neglect post-mortem sessions which give duffers insight about your valuable, secret pet lines.
  • Believe that the key to winning chess games is automatic pawn exchanges.
  • Rely on computers assessments rather than doping it out yourself.
  • Trust the latest analysis from Moscow rather than your own instincts.
  • Scrutinize the player list to see if you will face serious opposition. And walk out if prospects look bleak.
  • Prefer grabbing material (mostly pawns) rather than playing good chess.
  • Consider yourself the custodian of your USCF rating, rather than simply enjoying chess.
  • Worry about dipping below 2200, because your USCF rating is the fashion statement that defines you.
  • Played a USCF-rated match with a player rated 150 points below you to safely push your rating over 2200.
A passed Pawn increases in strength as the number of pieces on the board diminishes. (Capablanca)

You might be a high master if you...

  • Play to improve your position, following principles and themes, eschewing material loss or gain.
  • Routinely show others correct lines, knowing that you will have more ideas and lines later.
  • Acknowlege computer assessments, but realize that being up "+1.43" isn't really saying anything.
  • Willing to match anyone at any time.
  • Prefer playing real chess rather than bean-counting pawns and pieces.
  • Don't sweat dipping below 2200, because a USCF rating is just a number.
  • Routinely assess positions more accurately than a chess engine.
Long lines in commentaries make sense only when they show the beauty of chess. (Bronstein)

Free Internet Chess Server -what a joke!

FICS or the Free Internet Chess Server, the oldest chess server, was started in 1992. The code powered many national chess servers as well as the ICC Internet Chess Club. It's a dopey, quaint relic from the past. Understandably not much serious chess is played. Most FICS players don't necessarily like chess, but prefer to chat with friends and form relationships. It's next to impossible to get a game or find a worthwhile opponent. The client interfaces are not even browser-ready.

Channels include: Books and Knowledge Computer Games Movies Quacking & Other Duck Topics Sports Music Mathematics & Physics Philosophy Literature & Poetry Politics The Chat channel The Youth channel The Old Timers channel The Guest Chat channel The Chess channel Beginner Chess Discussions on coaching and teaching chess Computer Chess General computer discussions Macintosh/Apple Unix/Linux DOS/Windows 3.1/95/NT VMS Programming discussions

If you want to play chess online for free in a sensible environment, instead select a modern, well-designed chess server like lichess.org. There will be 1000s of players there. And no BS.

Live, lose, and learn, by observing your opponent how to win. (Amber Steenbock)

CCCR buys building in Rochester

Community Chess Club has announced the acquisition of a building in downtown Rochester, Minnesota, an area with a more understanding tax environment. The concourse has shops, restaurants, and a health bar. One hundred and fifty individual units will house chessplayers at a room rate of $5.00 USD per day. Extended stays are OK, provided that your CCCR, RCC, and USCF memberships are current, and that your USCF rating doesn't decrease by more than fifty points in any three month period.

The present occupancy rate is 75%, and consists of businesses renting office space at premium prices, which defrays our costs. But chessplayers have exclusive use of seven floors for skittles, bughouse, serious tournament play, or just lounging around and eating pizza. No smoking, no alcohol, no drugs, no religion. Use of the sauna, steam room, jacuzzi, and wifi-ready recreation area is included.

Demographic projections show that a proposed Las Vegas-style Nightly Chess League (NCL) will draw a weekly total of a thousand (1000) players, Monday through Friday. It'll be played in three sections: open, under-1800, and unrated. We believe that an upscale clientele will prefer our events to the bar and restaurant scene in recessionary times. Rochester, Minnesota is a bit like Bagdad but without all the glitter.

It is not enough to be a good player... you must also play well. (Siegbert Tarrasch)

Resistance bands or resistance loops?

Physical therapists often recommend an easier, safer mode of exercise for women, disabled or elderly patients. These good folks typically head over to Amazon to shop for a compact set of inexpensive workout resistance elastics. Which is better, resistance bands (open) or resistance loops (closed)? Both methods have clear advantages.

Resistance bands (open) are adjustable, 2X longer than resistance loops (closed). Easy to wrap around one's back, an impossible task with a shorter resistance loop. Resistance bands are more versatile and traditionally more popular.

Resistance loops are safer, convenient, compact, easier to use, and the better choice for travel. But not directly adjustable. A foolproof trick is to place an entire set of resistance loops into a single aluminum climbing oval carabiner, which serves as a handle and organizes the individual loops. It enables me to grasp one to five loops simultaneously to increase or decrease the resistance. However, this is too awkward to succeed with a non-looped resistance band. And tying the two ends of a resistance band together simply ruins the modified band, due to inevitable knot tension.

WARNING: This method of altering a resistance loop into an adjustable resistance band can be dangerous. Proceed at your own risk.

SETUP: Get a 20 pc. set of O-RINGS 4mm × 40 mm ~$15. Select an O-RING diameter based on the width and heft of the resistance band, and your manual dexterity. Larger O-RINGS (60mm diameter) are easier to use and safer. We'll use two (2) indentical O-RINGS to join the two ends of the chosen (single) resistance band. I use two (2) 50mm O-RINGS.

METHOD: Grasp the two O-RINGS together in one hand. With the other hand, pass a working end of the resistance band through the center of both O-RINGS. Weave the working end of the resistance band over the top and then down from the outside, tucking it in-between the two O-RINGS. Leave tails of at least 6". Cinch and snug the knot, just a little, to compact this sub-assembly.

Repeat the above method, this time using the opposite end of the resistance band. Weave the new working end of the resistance band from the bottom through the center of both O-RINGS on the opposite side of the O-RING group. Pass that working end from the outside down and in-between the two O-RINGS. Again, leave tails of at least 6". Cinch and neaten the knot.

The resistance band is now (temporarily) a resistance loop. Gently, test it and verify integrity. After usage, disassembly will take about 30 secs. Might be good to insert a carabiner through the O-RINGS, for use as a convenient handle.

Some part of a mistake is always correct. (Tartakower)

Grandmaster Kenneth Rogoff

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American chess grandmaster Kenneth Rogoff grew up a mile from the Rochester Chess Center. His comments on his chess career and chess games are available. The Boylston Chess Club Weblog has an Up Close & Personal story.

He was chief economist of the International Monetary Fund from 2001 to 2003, and is now an economist at Harvard University. His views on the current (2008) financial crisis and other financial matters are widely aired on National Public Radio and the BBC Radio World Service. His economic insights appear regularly in Newsweek, New York Times, and The Financial Times. He served as an economics adviser to the 2008 Republican presidential nominee, U.S. Senator John McCain.

In 2010 he co-authored This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly with Carmen M. Reinhart, reviewed by the New York Times Business and Economy section. Elsewhere he writes of the imminent Chinese Property Collapse and wonders, "Can Good Emerge From the BP Oil Spill?"

On April 27, 2010 the National Academy of Sciences announced the election of 72 new members, including Professor Kenneth Rogoff of Harvard's Department of Economics. Professor Rogoff will join the Academy's 2,097 active members as advisers to the nation on science, engineering, and medicine. Bloomberg has some accounts of Rogoff's recent activities. CSPAN has hosted some of his panel appearances and lectures.

Place the contents of the Chess box in a hat, shake them up vigorously, pour them on the board from a height of two feet, and you get the style of Steinitz. (H. E. Bird)

Matt Parry plays chess in Vung Tau, Vietnam

Oct. 4, 2008 Matt Parry Vietnam Tournament. CCCR supported Matt's trip representing the USA at the World Junior Chess Ch. in Vung Tau, Vietnam. Three round Swiss System (2pm, 4pm, 6pm) G/60. Special Entry Fee $20.00, $10 donated to the Parry family, $10 to prizes. Matt won the tournament, the cash prize and got $200.00 to help defray costs of the trip. Update 10/24/2008: At the event midpoint, Matt is doing well, winning when expected to, and losing games to much higher rated titled players, GM/IM/FM. He finished with +5 =0 -6.

Matt Parry has contributed his trip summary from the 2008 World Junior Chess Ch. in Vung Tau, Vietnam.

Mistrust is the most necessary characteristic of the Chess player. (Siegbert Tarrasch)

Socialism and the woke agenda are tanking America.
Certainly it's too late to stop them.